Article 30 Unanimously Removed From Warrant

We will have more from later in the meeting.

All five selectmen have voted to remove Article 30 from this spring's town warrant. We will have more updates from the meeting as it becomes available.

Andrew Sylvia (Editor) February 22, 2013 at 02:08 AM
Hi Protagoras, Thanks for your comment and sorry for the error above! My role here is to stir conversation and maintain civility. It's inappropriate for me to have an opinion here one way or the other, but I'll do my best to bring as much information as possible.
Uncle Sam February 22, 2013 at 04:03 AM
2 Selectmen up for re-election this year. Both supported Article 30. Vote them out of office!
Max February 22, 2013 at 12:24 PM
Andrew, when you put Editor next to your name on a web page, it carries with it a responsibility to make sure comments and statements you make are correct and error free, INHO. Misrepresenting the bylaw, changing discharge to right to bear arms on private property just to 'stir' discussion was out of line. It was not an 'error', it was a gross misrepresentation to stir the pot. INHO.
Andrew Sylvia (Editor) February 22, 2013 at 12:29 PM
I respectfully disagree, especially given the amount of work I have to do compiling articles, keeping user generated content up to date and helping users with issues, generating discussion and moderating comments. Everyone makes mistakes, even you Max.
Andrew Sylvia (Editor) February 22, 2013 at 12:33 PM
Hi Raoul, see my comment from a minute before yours.
Andrew Sylvia (Editor) February 22, 2013 at 01:04 PM
Fun fact on that note, in January I wrote 94 articles here in Westford. 89 in Chelmsford. In total we had 411 pieces on the front page between the two sites. On track for 375 this month.
Ghost February 22, 2013 at 01:19 PM
Thanks for your work Andrew, don't let the fanatic hard liners tell ya different! Talk about issues like Civil Rights for Americans of all stripes and these folks are silent, talk about limiting Their 'right' to high capacity military style semi auto weapons and they come out with pitchforks!
Steven Sadowski February 22, 2013 at 01:29 PM
I agree with your statement about people cherry picking which civil liberty to become incensed about, which is why I'm Libertarian. We defend ALL civil liberties. I think you'd be a good fit for us except I gather by your posts regarding education you would be against charters, privatization, and education reforms that would break up the union monopoly on education. But I may be wrong?
Iron Mike February 22, 2013 at 01:41 PM
To Andrew Silvia: You wrote: “With the exception of law enforcement personnel, the right to bear arms doesn't apply to airplanes, schools, courthouses and many other places.” Are you aware that these 'rules' are in VIOLATION of our 2nd Amendment? As a reporter/publisher – you should be our first watchdog on any attempt to trample our rights, - and liberals are ALWAYS doing just that – 'for our own good' they always reassure us. The creeping destruction of our rights has been going on for a long time. It doesn't make it legal. Knowledgeable citizens – people who have faced down evil – now want to ARM teachers. Teachers should have the CHOICE - to be armed – or helpless. It took the police 22 minutes to reach the Sandy Hook school. You should read Evan Todd's letter to Obama. He was shot during the Columbine Massacre – so he speaks with more authority than any of the folks posting comments here. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/20/columbine-survivor-pens-bold-open-letter-to-obama-rejecting-gun-control-whose-side-are-you-on/
Andrew Sylvia (Editor) February 22, 2013 at 02:06 PM
Hey Mike, Good to see you the other day! (I'm guessing you're talking to me even though you spelled my name wrong). I am your first watchdog. We had this story on January 10, before anybody else. What I am not is on either side. You can have opinions about these things, all I can do is ask questions. P.S. -- Looking forward to your upcoming column on World War I Trivia! (for Westford folks, see here for what I'm talking about -- http://chelmsford.patch.com/articles/how-does-chelmsford-stack-up-in-per-pupil-spending)
Ghost February 22, 2013 at 02:08 PM
I guess 'Iron' Mike's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment and the US Constitution takes precedent over the rulings of the United States Supreme Court as well as the courts repeated assertion over the past 200 years that no right is absolute (guess some of us would have folks be able to say whatever whenever no question) Mike do you raise your voice equally loudly when minorities, and gays, lesbians, and transgender Americans are treated unequally by the US Govt (in violation is the 14th Amendments equal protection under the law protection?) I am guessing you aren't as concerned about this one!
2A supporter February 22, 2013 at 02:19 PM
Ghost, can you please tell me where in the second amendment it says what kind of firearms we are limited to? And can you also tell me what the great state of Massachusetts considers "high capacity"? Many of the anti-2a folks don't understand that we are already subjected to some of the strictest laws in the nation, and even acquiring a license to own a firearm is an ordeal that we should not have to face.
Iron Mike February 22, 2013 at 02:23 PM
I want ALL Americans to have the uninfringed right to keep and bear arms. Who you have sex with is unimportant – so long as they are consenting, human, - and over 18.
Ghost February 22, 2013 at 02:25 PM
No, every 12 year old should be able to walk into Walmart and buy an UZI right? Because there is no specific language 'shall not be infringed' prohibiting it than any sensible restriction is unconstitutional (maybe the 12 year old needs to hunt wild boar with AK -47s?) Give me a break already!
Ghost February 22, 2013 at 02:50 PM
Mike, when the US deports a foreigner because it doesn't recognize the gay marriage certificate given by a state is discriminatory unequal a constitutional infringement and YES who someone is having sex with most certainly matters (gay parter not eligible to become us citizen through marriage as per heterosexual marriage) or when benefits for soldiers spouses a re withheld from their gay partner . Guess you care more about the GUN applications
Ghost February 22, 2013 at 02:52 PM
Maybe read the SCs decisions involving guns and 2nd Amendment starting with Heller, NOT an absolute right
Andrew Sylvia (Editor) February 22, 2013 at 02:59 PM
Thanks Ghost, Everyone here is very passionate about this issue, which is great, for or against. It's like the pro athletes say, it's much easier to be in a loud arena than a quiet one.
2A supporter February 22, 2013 at 03:00 PM
You still didn't answer my questions. Do you understand how a firearms purchase works here? No one can just walk into a walmart and buy an Uzi. Again you are showing your ignorance of Mass firearms law. Please research them before using your emotion to drive your argument. And before you ask me how I feel about other issues I'll make it as simple as possible. Marry who you want, get an abortion if you want, and so on. And for your information, I'm also not opposed to mental health checks before firearms purchases. The process in this state, although unconstitutional, is something I'm not 100% against. What I'm against is people trying to eliminate that right altogether. You seem to enjoy your 1st amendment rights, what is your reaction going to be once that comes under fire?
Iron Mike February 22, 2013 at 03:00 PM
Guess I'm old-fashioned Ghost – at least in my views of marriage. If your partner was deported – then it was likely because he / she / it was here ILLEGALLY. If you were helping that person stay, you were aiding and abetting a crime. Frankly I don't see gay marriage as a God-given right, - self-defense IS! I'm sure there were gay folks around in the 1775 – 1789 time period. Our Founders didn't see fit to address their problems.... Slavery was the 500 pound gorilla in the room... So was the British Army quartering troops in private homes.... So how much more are you going to advertise your gayness to the reading public?
2A supporter February 22, 2013 at 03:04 PM
keep the discussion on track, gay marriage is a whole separate can of worms for many. And again, I'm all for gay marriage, who you love is your business.
Jamaal February 22, 2013 at 04:11 PM
When you elevate gun talk to talk of constitutional rights it's all fair game! Old fashioned is doublespeak for racist and homophobic! Right at home in the 1950s when white men ruled. When give is not respecting rights it's no longer a private issue but an I fringe mentioned. Agreed? I hope when the transgendered students want their own bathrooms in the schools 400 residents will show up in support of rights
2A supporter February 22, 2013 at 04:25 PM
Who the hell are you to say someone is racist and homophobic? do you know him personally? His name is Mike how do you know what color he his based on anything he's said here? People can believe that marriage is between a man and women and not be racist or homophobic. Can i ask you what color you are? whats your sexual preference? Are you a man or woman?
RSteffero February 23, 2013 at 02:57 AM
It seems to be very common when antigun folks can't support their weak arguments with facts that they instead call us racists, biggots, haters and every other possible loaded word
Uncle Sam February 23, 2013 at 04:01 AM
The anti-gun people view pro second amendment people as rednecks and cretans. Not to say some aren't rednecks and cretans! But the majority aren't. They're your friends and neighbors.
Mike February 23, 2013 at 04:18 AM
Actually, Iron Mike, Andrew is exactly right on this point. There are no "God-given rights" guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, and the Supremes have repeatedly upheld that there's no blanket right to carry: "Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases, commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose." -- Justice Scalia's majority opinion in DC vs Heller. If you want to argue that point, take it up with one of the most conservative justices to sit on the Supreme Court in the past 85 years.
Iron Mike February 23, 2013 at 04:29 AM
“We sleep safe in our beds because rough men with guns stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.” Orwell
Mike February 23, 2013 at 04:29 AM
2A, you're sort of right on this. The signs themselves may hold "no legal weight" but if the private property owner objects to you carrying, then you can be asked to leave. Period. You are allowed entry to their place of business at their discretion.
Steven Sadowski February 23, 2013 at 04:46 AM
"The best slaves are the ones who think they are free."
Mike February 23, 2013 at 12:24 PM
"I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused." -- Declan Patrick Aloysius Macmanus
Max February 24, 2013 at 12:47 AM
``Somebody that's not truthful, that's big, to me. I'm a big fan of the `Judge Judy' show. And when you lie in Judge Judy's courtroom, it's over. Your credibility is completely lost. You have no chance of winning that case,'' San Francisco coach Jim Harbaugh said Friday. ``I learned that from her. It's very powerful, and true. Because if somebody does lie to you, how can you ever trust anything they ever say after that?''


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