Will You Still Be Attending Town Meeting?
After Wednesday night's signing of the warrant at the Stony Brook School, we want to ask you if you're still planning on heading to Town Meeting.
March 23 is rapidly approaching and that means the 2013 Annual Town Meeting at the Abbot School, an event that will see see a few hundred people more than likely.
Still, that number likely would have been much higher if not for the news on Wednesday that Article 30, which would have amended town bylaws to add restrictions on firearms, and two citizen's petitions relating to Article 30, will not be on the warrant.
So today we want to ask you if you still be heading to Town Meeting.
If you are, what articles will you being paying attention to? Is there another reason other than a specific item why you want to go?
If you're not, why not? Is it the lack of Article 30? Is it the length of the meeting? Are you busy that Saturday?
Give us your take in the comments.
Old Dan
6:26 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
Westford's town meeting has become more entertaining and bizarre are than a 3 ring circus complete with midgets, high wire, and freak show sides!
The town admin spends money like water and the tight fiscal conservative 'watchdogs' look like they are passing kidney stones as the expenditures get approached. I just wish Bob Costas was on hand to conduct post game interviews at the end!
Randy Winslow
8:10 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
Yes
Steven Sadowski
8:22 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
Yes. I'll be attending.
Sam
8:58 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
Yes.
Ghost
9:28 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
I hear many folks are hoping Jeffries and D Keele are going to preform a pantomime routine at half time and JRoss might work on her snake charm routine! Whooooo hooooo
Vicky Geary
11:23 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
Absolutely. What particularly has frustrated me about the recent gun discussion is the turnout for that issue (not to mention all the commentary) and yet the other more pressing issues in this town such as the budget gets barely a quorum at town meeting. Town meeting is long and sometimes frustrating but it is important to go and be heard and to be educated on where your tax dollars are going.
Dan D.
12:01 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Most sane people find Town Meeting boring and hope that the elected officials have enough sense to do what is in the best interests of the citizens as a whole, a whopping big assumption. So, most everyone does something else. Having said that, I'll be there and will encourage others to attend. The boredom is occasionally interspersed with some very entertaining moments, along with some very enraging ones. Plus it is true democracy in action, very few places in the US have an event like Town Meeting where ordinary citizens can have a direct impact on how their taxes are spent and how their government acts.
Peter Berson
12:15 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Unfortunately I will be out of town on vacation. It is important that all town voters try to attend this meeting. I agree with Vicky the budget is the biggest concern of mine. I wish the Town meeting could be more streamed line. Maybe do the Budget as just one session this is the most important part of the town meeting in my opinion as well as the School Committee report.
Jesse James
5:45 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
The "School Committee Report" is part of the Annual Town Report. The latest version that covers from 1 July 2011 to 30 June 2012 is available at the town web site.
I guess we should consider ourselves lucky that on the 19th of April 1775, most farmers decided to skip the holiday and march off to the North Bridge in Concord. And the rest is history.
Although the budget is an important part of town meetings, you should realize that many articles dealing with zoning and regulation of town function are also under consideration.
The League of Women Voters observes that "Politics is not an spectator Sport."
IMHO You should reschedule your vacation.
Sam
12:22 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Now that guns are off the table, the meeting will be packed with people receiving a paycheck from the town and or a benefit from the town which means all these bloated budgets will easily pass with no talk of reductions. Financial crisis! Ha! Spend more, increase budgets and worry about it later. As long as I get my paycheck forget the rest.
Frugal Fannie
7:33 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
Just like the last time town employee paychecks were on the table.
Jamaal
12:35 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Lets fire our unionized teachers, police, and fire and replace with cheap non union foreigners on work visas instead ?
Jesse James
5:50 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
Very good idea Jammal. The cost to the town will go down and efficiency will go up.
Why don;t you stand for election to the Board of Selectmen or School Committee.
If elections are not your cup of tea, then apply for membership of the Westford Finance Committee which is an appointed position and you do not have to be a registered voter or town resident. The position of the BoS is that nonresidents and/or non-citizens can serve on appointed town committees.
Sam
1:58 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Wow, that is quite a leap. I am simply stating facts. Union employees will pack TM and all vote to approve these bloated budgets. That is a FACT. Then turn around and complain the do not get their steps (see Jamaal on every blog posted)
Randy Winslow
5:47 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Completely untrue, many teachers do not want any new hires.
Local
2:47 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Not true,
true,
Many WPS teachers are upset over the bloated budgets as you because DESPITE the fact teachers weren't given their steps, the budget for WPS is bloated as ever because our Superintendent and School Committee keep adding more and more positions! They are outraged that last year no money for a fair contract But the approved budget had multiple completely new non mandated positions
Randy Winslow
5:48 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
True
Jesse James
5:55 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
Local, if the School Committee shenanigans upset you consider that the Town Manager hired the new Social Worker at a salary $18,000 ($69,000) above what the hardworking and respected Social Worker that retired was earning.
When a member of the COA asked the rationale, the answer given was that the new Social Worker has outstanding qualifications.
Something smells rotten not only Denmark but at 55 Main St.
Frugal Fannie
7:34 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
WPS teachers get a double step next year is my understanding
Local
2:49 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
There are many WPS staff who would like to see the budget (which has a 0% raise for them yet is bigger than ever) REJECTED at town meeting Sam
Sam
2:55 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Well when there maybe they should stand up and say something because I have been attending for over 10 years and yet to see one utter a single peep. All raise their hands and say yea and clap and applaud like they just won the lottery. Are you at these meetings?
Local
3:03 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
With the climate of animosity and mistrust between many teachers and administration I doubt you are going to see that anytime soon, (if you disagreed with the policy decisions of your company would you stand up and say so at a shareholder board meeting?)
Just giving you a little perspective that teachers have not been feeling like lottery winners of late! Perhaps you mistake teachers with school administration (of which there is plenty)
Sam
3:27 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
That answers my question. I understand that teachers got burned last year. I have family members who are teachers and I respect all of them. But if you got your raise and steps we wouldn't be hearing from any of you and at TM we would hear the cheers over passing a bloated budget again. I think each department should be forced to cut 5% of the top. If the School budget cuts come from the administration side than so be it. Without reduced spending we are doomed for years to come. Of course we will hear about how the the town will implode and how can we possibly survive and provide the same level of service with a 5% reduction. That is plain and simple hogwash.
Local
4:18 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Sam,
I hear where you are coming from!
Perhaps Superintendant Olsen and SC Chair Harkness can answer questions regarding the continued expansion of new positions (you will hear about Sped mandated and numbers justifying it based on their own magic teacher student ratio) yet you raise a good point about level of service, yet they are looking to add administration at WA (English and Math CC full time admin) meaning need to hire more teachers
Paul
9:11 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Might also want to consider all these previous posts in the context of what I get the impression of is a "DECLINING" student population. I can't cite specific numbers and I may be mistaken, but I'd be interested in seeing the actual numbers that prove the point one way or the other
Julie C.
10:59 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013
@ Paul, you can find Westford's enrollment trends in the meeting packet (available online) for the School Committee's upcoming meeting on 2/25.
Hopefully this link works:
https://dms.westfordma.gov/imageapi.php?docid=Qmx1ZVJpdmU4MDU0NHItU3lzdGVtcyAxNyA1
Sam
4:38 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
My point exactly. It is always more more more. Never ever less less less. In the private sector you are forced to make cuts and tough decisions to survive during these economic downturns. In the world of the public sector you simply throw around some union muscle and ask the same shrinking private sector to support even more. It is crazy. We do not have the money! Lets increase budgets, throw in a fire station here, a new loader over here and an assistant town manger there. No worries. hakuna matata. All is well.
Randy Winslow
5:51 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Sam, hahaha. Go to anywhere there are teamsters or larger school districts. The union in town has never had muscle. Perhaps change is coming.
Local
5:16 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
No Teachers Union muscle behind these last few contracts thats for sure! Teachers choked with they were basically forced to accept nothing and then watched as a budget was presented and passed with new positions left and right!
Your concern about the thick layer of Admin is legit, I implore you to speak up to your neighbors, friends in town and at TM when the school budget is presented that has MORE administrative positions (School Budget proposal can be found on the town website or perhaps Andrew can link it).
My understanding is teachers want a fair market value contract not with a Prop override but rather with some of the bloat cut back, if someone tells you 'teachers want an override so they can get a raise' that plays loose with the facts. They want their raise by STOPPING all the new positions (which we clearly cant afford!!!)
Sam
6:23 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Completely missing my point. I do not assume they have muscle in the terms you say they do, I am referring to numbers at TM. It's a simple formula. Come this year and watch how they gleefully approve the overspending. To do otherwise may affect the money tree from which they get their checks.
Jamaal
6:49 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Teachers are going to show up in huge numbers to drool over the money tree?! That's simply not going to happen!! Better chance of Jimmy Hoffa himself leading next years WEA actions
Julie C.
11:03 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013
Does anyone know how many Westford school department employees are currently Westford residents and registered voters here?
Sam
6:57 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Great then you should show up and recommend cutting the budgets so you can get your coveted steps. You have a lot to say, how about coming to town meeting and say something.
June McMorrow
9:31 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Wasn't it last year's ATM that Diane Weir got up to the microphone and made the motion that all Town Depts. make across the board cuts of % 5? She was shot down was she not? It's not like this hasn't been suggested to our Town Government. They choose to ignore the voice of the average citizen, the vox populi. Is my memory failing me here?
Sam
9:55 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Yes She proposed 3% and was basically laughed at. Folks there pushed these budgets along and then all patted themselves on the back after approval.
Andrew Sylvia
7:44 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013
Again, another Devil's Advocate moment here. One thing constantly said at BoS meetings is the continual rising prices of fuel and health care costs. Even with level services and other ideas (i.e. -- going to the GIC), costs are still rising.
With 3 or 5% cuts, where would that come from in the budget? And if it's personnel, who would that be and how would that impact the local economy? (town employees buy things at stores in town, just like private company employees.)
dweir
7:20 am on Sunday, February 24, 2013
Actually, it was 0.05% -- a half percent -- and there was a decent support from the floor which waned only after the moderator falsely told Town Meeting that such a motion could've be made. Not that it would have passed, but just so all are aware that the moderator can through various measures -- deliberate or otherwise -- impact favorable/unfavorable conditions.
Jesse James
6:09 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
The moderator's ruling can always be overturned by a vote of town meeting.
A challenge can be submitted as follows
" Challenge of the Ruling by the Chair"
The only person that I have heard challenge the Westford Town Moderator is Tony Martinez. Due to illness, he was not present when Diane Weir made her motion.
I have been told that Ms Harde refused to appoint Ms Weir to the Finance Committee because Ms Weir would be a disruptive member on the Finance Committee. After watching the 26 Feb 2013, Finance Committee meeting, I came away appalled at the lack fiscal oversight by the Finance Committee.
I suggest interested readers to go to the WestfordCAT.org and watch the Finance Committee meetings.
Uncle Sam
10:43 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
While it would be nice if more folks got involved in local politics, to say one is disappointed to see the huge turn out for a gun ban but not routine town business is a little silly. The gun ban infringed on the US Constitution. Its a civil rights matter. While the town's finances are important our basic rights as Americans and human beings are much more so.
Raoul Duke
12:03 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013
I agree with Uncle Sam. If civil rights are infringed upon (be it the 1st, 2nd, 4th amendments, etc.), you will see hordes of people show up to defend liberty and freedom. The proposed firearm ban as a violation of constitutional rights is a monumentally larger issue than any annual budget (as essential as that is too), sorry to say.
Dan
8:44 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013
How about from the thick layer of Administration we carry? Assistant town manager, 4 administrators (up from 3 a few years back), Athletic director with full time secretary, Math and English curriculum coordinators being moved to full time administrators necessitating the hire of 2 new teachers.....
Sam
9:45 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013
Preaching to the choir Dan. Andrew, yes it would most likely be personnel. The local economy is a factor but at this point small in comparison to pains of the entire town. These decisions are never easy in the private sector world but sometimes have to be made. They are never made in the public sector. If they live in town they are likely to stay in town. People who are laid off don't die. They continue to purchase goods, although at a must slower pace. To make the comparison saying that laying off an employee at $65 k per year plus benefits outweighs the $5 k they may spend at Panera and elsewhere doesn't hold water.
Andrew Sylvia
11:24 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013
Thanks for the reply, Sam!
If there's any folks from the WEA in the audience here, I think they would disagree with you on sacrifices from what I heard from them during the contract resolution. If any teachers are here, please share your thoughts on that.
And to play double devil's advocate here, the average teachers' salary in Westford before the contract renewal (http://westford.patch.com/articles/how-does-westford-stack-up-in-per-pupil-spending) is higher than the average U.S. salary according to the SSA (http://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/AWI.html)
Much of that I'd assume is due in part to requirements for advanced degrees and training, but I can't speak to that. Again, if a teacher could come in here and help share information with everybody, that'd be helpful.
Another factor that would be interesting to find out what the cost-of-living index is in Westford. I don't have that data, I'll try to look around, but if anyone can share that, that would be interesting.
We'll have more data at the top of the newsletter on Monday.
P.S. -- To reiterate, it is inappropriate for me to be on one side or the other of this debate. My responsibility is to provide information and foster discussion. It's a very thin line though, so if I unintentionally cross the line, let me know and how I can fix it.
Things recent have gained something of an echo, so I will probably be stepping in more in the near future. I want to make sure everybody feels comfortable to talk.
Julie C.
11:35 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013
Hi Andrew. Any chance you could find the average age of Westford's teachers to compare that to Westford's average salary? Given the salary structure, younger teachers are likely to skew the data. It's better to compare salaries based on years of experience and degree attained.
Andrew Sylvia
12:11 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013
I can definitely ask. If I do find out, it would probably be broader data in terms of numbers of teachers within steps rather than any names.
Kind of a side note there, the names and salaries are public information (I know they print them name by name with salary in the town report in Chelmsford), but I always have this nightmare that one day a town employee is going to be in Market Basket or wherever and somebody is going to say "Hey, I saw on the Patch that you got a raise, why are my taxes so high if you're living it up?" or something like that and that in turn impacts that public employee seeing me as neutral.
I'm going to be a broken record here, but I strongly do not want to be on either side, to just be a source of information and as someone who arbitrates and fosters discussion.
If I can ever get to the point where I can feel comfortable that I could share that information without causing that "Market Basket moment", it'd be up about 30 seconds after I found it.
P.S. -- Bear with me if I can't get back quickly, I've got a lot on my plate.
TK
8:51 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013
I looked at the data from "stack-up" link, and tried to figure it out if we pay enough our teachers. I took second table with average salaries and added U.S.News High School rank to it (high school rank can give us overall district performance without knowing years of experience or education level of our teachers). Out of 23 school districts, only 8 had high schools that were ranked by U.S.News. From my table it looks like Westford is underpaid (similar to Arlington), and has highest FTE count (similar to Wellesley). But it would be great to add to this list data from Acton, Groton, Lexington and Concord. P.S. Do we include admin positions into FTE?
DISTRICT Avg Salary FTE Count U.S.News Rank
WELLESLEY $78,731 357 260
NEEDHAM $78,328 345 303
ARLINGTON $55,373 317 491
WESTFORD $69,319 357 493
WINCHESTER $70,128 301 538
SHREWSBURY $72,532 352 625
CHELMSFORD $66,416 340 1146
NATICK $66,070 333 1493
Dan
10:14 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013
Of course there is added irony to the reality we are talking about how financially strapped we are, and about layoffs, just after our town leadership saw fit to spend $10,000-$15,000 on a ban guns political posturing stunt!
In my mind the poor financial decisions of our town administration and our being supposedly near broke are not unrelated issues.
I love kittens
12:18 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013
I plan to be there. I usually go. I am interested in hearing how the paving of a parking lot for the rail trail vs people who have to live next to it will go.
Ghost
11:46 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013
And of all the districts I am willing to bet WESTFORD was the Only one where the school committee came to the negotiations table with "we areboffering you 0%, AND we are also not honoring your step this year"
But hey have fun implementing the 1001 new things we have jammed down your throats in addition to teaching kids ISTS meetings, UBD, PLC, New Evaluation, Team Goals, Smart Goals, New reading and Math Program, online course recommendations, Parent Portal etc....
Morale STINKS now but administration is too aloof to see Rome is Burning
Dan D.
8:56 am on Sunday, February 24, 2013
Hey Ghost, your are writing in Edu-speak! Please let the rest of us know what those terms and acronyms mean in English-speak.
Randy Winslow
9:08 am on Sunday, February 24, 2013
They are terms for different types of cover sheets for TPS reports.
Dan
5:00 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
Dan D, when Superintendent Olsen, Principal Antonelli, or Comrade Cohen do a patch chat maybe you can ask them! Otherwise just file it under 'Comments on behalf of PISSED OFF Westford Teachers'
Jesse James
6:17 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
Sayonara Dan. Your mantra of give me more for doing less should be taken to another school system where you will have no seniority and will have to wait 7 years for a 6 month sabbatical at full pay or you can try the highly compensated private sector where everyone works 50 to 60 hours/week with no overtime, 48 weeks/year, and 10 days PTO replaces vacation and sick time.
Playa
7:32 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
Private Sector vs Public Sector Teachers, its like East Coast vs West Coast in the rap game. Jesse is S Knight. J Ross is ill Kim. Keele is Puffy Daddy, cast Olsen as Snoop Diggy Dog , Jimmy A is the Natorious Big!
Represent!
Frugal Fannie
7:37 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
I am also seriously tired of hearing town officials and elected people talk about creating new revenue or increasing revenue. This is not a business where you ca expand your product line or service offerings to increase revenue. You people are talking about INCREASING TAXES so just say it and at least be honest about it.
Jesse James
8:54 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
Not Exactly. Revenue covers taxes and Fees and water rates and speeding tickets from illegal speed traps. The word revenue is like sugar, it makes the medicine go down,