Who Won Latest Debate: Scott Brown or Elizabeth Warren?
Held in Springfield, this debate focused more on issues, less on personal attacks.
Vital issues core to this race for the U.S. Senate—taxes, healthcare, soaring higher education costs, abortion, insurance coverage of contraception—were the focus of last night's debate between Sen. Scott Brown and challenger Elizabeth Warren.
And, of course, there were different views of which candidate accomplished the most in this penultimate debate. The final debate between them is scheduled for Oct. 30.
Who do you think 'won' last night's debate? Tell us in the comments section below.
Craig Foster
12:05 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
On Substance and Style, I thought Warren was the winner. She did a much better job of clarifying her stance on issues and how they differ from Sen. Brown's. I thought Sen. Brown spent to much time trying to figure out how to turn every answer into either an attack on Warren or in to saying how bipartisan he is.
But the real winner of the debate was the viewers as this debate was actually on real issues.
Paolo DiFabio
12:11 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
Brilliantly said, Craig... Agree 100%!
Brandon Chapman
12:24 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
I'd say it was a draw. More substance than personal attacks, which was good. Nothing new or game changing though. Warren went national, Brown stayed local....I think we can all agree this one will be close either way.
Russ
1:13 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
It's time to break out the demographic information on the people commenting above. No doubt there are high correlation coefficients in the areas of residency, income, et cetera which would have allowed us to predict the results.
In terms of content the clear winner was Brown. Vague generalities by Warren proved to be her undoing. However, this was to be expected based on her history. We need to ensure that we have intelligent, effective communication in the senate as Brown has delivered thusfar. If anyone thinks Kerry can actually relate to the average citizen think again!
Liberativependent
10:14 pm on Sunday, October 14, 2012
Kerry?
P.P. Longstocking
11:09 am on Monday, October 15, 2012
"In terms of content the clear winner was Brown. Vague generalities by Warren proved to be her undoing. However, this was to be expected based on her history. We need to ensure that we have intelligent, effective communication in the senate as Brown has delivered thusfar. If anyone thinks Kerry can actually relate to the average citizen think again!" -- All the talking points hit, Russ. You can collect your paycheck in Texas.
quasimodo
1:33 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
Parroting Romney, Senator Brown again made the very disappointing statement, not once but twice, that Obama’s Affordable Care Act is cutting the amount available to Medicare (MC) by $716 billion, with the obvious aim to mislead the voters, in particular the present Medicare recipients. Such claim at this time is not an error but a deliberate lie, since, by now, the candidates’ advisers should have corrected them from that claim.
Obamacare does not literally cut funding from the MC’s program’s budget, but institutes some changes to try to bring down future health care costs in this program.
The spending reductions are mainly aimed at insurance companies and hospitals, not beneficiaries:
- Hospitals, will be paid less if they have too many re-admissions, or if they fail to meet other new benchmarks for patient care.
- Insurance companies, will see significant reductions to the Medicare Advantage plans, a subset of MC plans run by private insurers. The Medicare Advantage plans, initiated under G.W. Bush, expected to save money, have actually cost more than the traditional MC, and Obamacare only scales back these payments to private insurers.
The total Medicare budget is projected to go up for the foreseeable future, even with the Obamacare cost-saving measures. So claims that Obama would "cut" Medicare is at best mostly false, if not a calculated lie to induce a false conclusion by the voters.
Bob
3:19 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
Quasi, Hospitals and providers will be paid less for each visit by a Medicare patient period. It is about $415 Billion in direct reimbursements that are affected. This means doctors are starting to reject Medicare insurance patients. They simply cannot afford to treat them.
The re-admissions penalty is on top of this cut. This will also cause hospitals to hesitate in treatment and probably cause the costs to raise as they will keep these patients longer in hospital to avoid the penalty. In addition it will hurt the very hospitals that need funding help the most. Those in inner cities that treat large populations of poor. The blindness of this is these people are the ones that go home and don't seek post hospitalization care. So the hospital gets whacked when their orders are ignored. Another instance where Obama wades in where he doesn't have a clue!
quasimodo
5:06 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
@Bob
I have heard that doctors are starting to reject Medicare patients. Until further notice, it looks like but just another unfounded rumor concerning the "horrors" of Obamacare , which are propagated by the anti-Obamacare bunch. As you know, even before ObamaCare, there are doctors who did not accept Medicare patients. But they were few, because Medicare is a good source of steady guarantied income.
First, as a rule, hospitals treat everyone who shows up at their doors, insured or non-insured. And this was a big problem for them, because many of these people showing up to the ER did not have insurance, so the hospitals had to absorbed the cost, but in reality, passed this cost to you and me through our insurances.
Second, the rate of reimbursement to a hospital is not as simple as you make it sound, but depends on the type and level of the illness, the age of the patient, etc, and keeping a patient purposely is now, and would be, out of the question.
As for inner cities poor who do not seek post-hospitalization care, you obviously assume that they are all stupid and do not know better, when, most of the time, the real reason was that they could not afford private doctor’s services, so they would be back at the hospital for free care. But this has now changed, the poor people also have health insurances, one way or another, through ObamaCare, so the problem is solved, because now they can afford to go to private doctors.
Vincent DiRico
10:00 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
medicare was paying $716 BILLION more than needed and Mr 0 just discovered that when Mr 0-care needed some extra $ to float.
riiiiight ;)
Bob
8:28 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Quasi, thank you for your condescending response. I see you follow the Biden ignore and disrespect opinions that don't agree with you policy.
Read my post again and explain where I said hospitals wouldn't accept them. Not there. I said providers are rejecting them and they are.
I work at a hospital and know about this issue all too well. Our revenue has been cut because it costs us $1 to treat a Medicare patient and we get paid $.62 cents! Before Obamacare it was $.72 cents and we could make up a percentage of the delta in other ways.
The reimbursement rates have nothing to do with age. They have to do with care provided. We bill based on obs terms and location of care. If the patient is treated in a provider office, the rate is lower than if in an AC setting (i.e. ER). We bill by x-ray, lab etc. nothing to do with illness or age. If we keep a patient an extra day or two to run additional diagnostic tests because the patient isn't responding to treatments, that will be paid by Medicare. The single largest cost in HC today is defensive medicine. The ordering of labs and tests and diagnostic imaging to protect the provider from being sued. Over 70% of providers have admitted practicing defensive medicine. This new penalty will drive that up and drive the cost of HC up with it.
continued....
Bob
8:29 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
continued.... ran out of space above
I never said they were stupid, that was your attempted projection and I reject it. They don't see their follow up because in too many cases they still use the ER as their PCP. Obama care hasn't solved any of that. Romney care hasn't either. It won't because many would rather take the penalty (and never pay it) than pay a monthly premium. It is simple economics. Go to any ER in Lowell, Lawrence etc. and you will see people with common colds and ear infections waiting. That is their PCP.
Tellitlikeitis
11:06 am on Monday, October 15, 2012
next time you have a dr's appt., ask your doctor about what is gonna happen to medicare patients under obamacare,who would know better than the doctors about how medicare gets affected. every doctor i have talked to has said the same thing,that doctors and hospitals are being paid half of what private insurances pay,but once obamacare kicks in it will go down to 30 cents on the dollar or 30% of what private insurance will get.so what doctor in their right mind wants to take medicare patients and get 30% instead of private insurance and get 100%. come on its common sense if you take off your liberal glasses and stop drinking that awful kool-aid
Bruce
1:40 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
Not the best performance for Brown. He acted like a robot spitting out too many per-scripted lines (and fumbling a lot of them). Warren seemed more composed, but she didn't do much better getting off her script as well.
Both are clearly under intense pressure not to screw up, and it shows. I wish the last debate could be held in someone's living room with no crowd, a couple of beers, and no handlers allowed. Just the two of them speaking their minds.
Dan D.
2:24 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
I doubt that this changed anyone's mind or convinced anyone one way or the other.
If you like Big Government and are willing to continue to let it intrude more into your life and willing to sacrifice some of your freedoms because you are convinced it will solve lots of problems, Warren is your gal. If you like free markets with little regulation, and believe that people will use their minds and freedoms to solve problems better than someone in DC, and are willing to live with the consequences of your decisions, good and bad, Brown is your guy.
quasimodo
5:11 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
The problem is that most of the time, with "little" regulations, the consequences of other people's decisions affect the rest of the society (and the World), which include my family and me.
Vincent DiRico
6:45 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
are you one who got some of the "millions" back from Liawatha's baby? If so I would like some details how that happened? In my > than 50 years I have never been cheated by a bank, a credit card company, ... I can't wait to hear. thanks
Dan D.
9:45 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
And the same problem exits with lots of regulation, only the pain for all is caused by a handful of government employees. So, again, if you think government does a better. more effective and efficient job than open competitive makers, I say Liz is your gal! I'd also suggest you study history to learn how well centrally planned and controlled economies have worked out for those not doing the planning and controlling.
Vincent DiRico
6:31 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
Last night was not a debate, it was a Q&A session, a fire drill, worthless.
jaime malzman
9:40 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
Elizabeth Warren is clearly someone who puts people ahead of the barons that run corporate America. Scott Brown seems to believe that status quo for the wealthy (ie paying taxes at Mitt Romney's rate) benefits all (?)
Vincent DiRico
9:57 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
Mitt pays the rate he pays because it is the investment income rate. EW's first reaction to every symptom is to raise taxes, she like to spend others $, yet she:
- chooses to pay the lower MA tax rate
- fleece college students of > $300k for one class (and cries the middle class is being "hammered")
- ...
jaime malzman
9:42 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
I also think that attacking Warren for her pride in being part Native American is racist. Brown asking if she looks Native American, shows what a narrow minded white guy he is.
Dan D.
9:49 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
But, she's not. She lied, that's the issue, not "racism". Aren't you getting a bit tired of racism being tossed about whenever there is valid disagreement that can't be countered?
Slim Tebow
10:02 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
and your proof that she lies is... Oh that's right, you don't have any, you just lied.
Slim Tebow
10:03 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
hey everyone, dan d just proved that he is a liar.
Vincent DiRico
10:08 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
it is really simple for EW to PROVE her heritage and I am SURE she would have already done it if it were TRUE
I copied this from another forum:
BTW Professor Warren, if you are really a Cherokee, at least one ancestor of Cherokee blood, you should check the Dawes Rolls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl2WNu4ERqA&feature=related
Vincent DiRico
10:09 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
you owe me one Dan ;)
Bob
10:40 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Jon, very tough to prove a negative. Warren can clear it up but she won't. Why did she claim American Indian heritage only after starting her career (not on college or law school apps) and only after being rejected for top school employment? All of a sudden she finds her ancestry, checks the box and is accepted to Penn and then Harvard! Then Harvard STOPS listing her on their non-white faculty list when it is questioned. Nothing to see here! Move along!
This is fraud if she is not native American. Harvard received federal funds for having her on their faculty and claiming she is "non-white". If they, nor she, can prove that, they committed fraud! But that is ok here in Demachusetts right? as long as it is a Dem doing it?
Leonardo DaVinci
11:50 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Warren won this final debate. I thought Craig Foster's post was not in any way, overtly hostile towards Republicans, but was an objective analysis of his observation how this debate went. His was an honest objective opinion that I would agree with. No superlative effort to crucify either party, or any hint of an obsessive compulsion, to convince people of anything on eiher side of the issues. We need more of that in these posts.
David
3:22 am on Monday, October 22, 2012
I also think like you!
Tellitlikeitis
12:24 am on Saturday, October 13, 2012
now pay attention nelly, even the liberal networks are admitting that it is dead even with woman voters.get your facts straight.
Tellitlikeitis
12:33 am on Saturday, October 13, 2012
i am totally convinced that liberalism is really a mental disorder,what the hell are you people talking about,this warren lady is an absolute moonbat.she does not know what the hell she is talking about.she is a phony just like the biggest phony ever, the one and only barack THE APPEASER obama,who takes credit from the navy seals and the intelligence community when they kill bin laden,but when something goes wrong because of his policy in libya and 4 americans get murdered, he blames the intelligence dept for it.this is a typical liberal at work or should i say pretending to work.
Brian McCarthy
2:32 am on Saturday, October 13, 2012
Hi,
Of course Scott won the debate. If you live in Somerville and would like to get active in The Republican Party, please e-mail us at gopsomerville@aol.com.
Thank you,
Brian McCarthy
Tellitlikeitis
11:54 am on Monday, October 15, 2012
hey pp, it's also pretty obvious that liberal women don't care if their husbands get caught red handed cheating on them in front of the whole country and don't really care as long as they can have their high standard of living,what excellent role models for the young girls in this country, ex:clinton -kennedy's.and you all fall for this bogus war on women crap,i mean if you truly believe that contraception is the number one or two things on voters minds wake up. republicans are not trying to outlaw contraception,they just don't believe that taxpayers should have to pay for other people's birth control, it's cost 12 bucks a month.