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Conservation Commission Tentatively Supports EBC Name Change

Westford voters will decide on Saturday.

 

"East Boston Camps" or "Westford Woods?" Voters will make their decision at the Abbot School on Saturday, and the Conservation Commission has provided them with a recommendation, albeit, one with some reservations and extensive debate.

At their meeting last week, the board voted 5-2 to recommend the petitioned warrant article asking voters to merge the East Boston Camps parcel with the nearby Stepinski Parcel and rename the new property as the Westford Woods.

The board's vote came after they asked the petitioners to compromise and allow the camp area on the parcel to retain the East Boston Camp name, even if the article passed.

Still, opinions on the vote were more nuanced than its final tally.

Only Jim Gozzo seemed to truly support the measure outright during the discussion on the issue, with Anne Jefferies and Robert Boonstra opposing it altogether and the other four members of the board supported the concept while holding concerns over the "Westford Woods" name and the use of a bylaw amendment to change the name.

"I agree with folks that is needs to be clearer that it's Westford property, and I appreciate them retaining the name East Boston Camps," said Boonstra. "(However), I can't support the name Westford Woods (because it) sounds like one of those McMansion developments that would have gone there if the Hyams had not bought the property and then the town bought it after that."

Petitioner Robin Connell voiced frustration with the board for what she saw as a lack of appreciation for the attempts from her group to compromise with the board to find a mutually beneficial solution.

"There are people (in this town) who cannot change in any way; this is the way it's going to be, and it's never going to be any other way," said Connell. "(Still,) there are a lot of people who feel they don't know what this parcel is and that they don't know that (taxpayers have) paid for it."

Earlier this week, the Friends of the East Boston Camps sent an e-mail recommending a "no" vote on the article, citing the history of the property over the past 70 years, and that combining the East Boston Camps with the Stepinski Parcel would encourage trespassing through the railroad land that separates the two pieces of land.

CORRECTION: Petitioner Dini Healy-Coffin went before the board, not Robin Connell. It was also Peter Mahler who opposed, not Anne Jefferies.

We apologize for the error, the board did not introduce Coffin to the public as is common with most committee meetings and there was no roll call on the vote, which came in the middle of someone else talking during the meeting, so it was initially unclear.

UPDATE 12:15 p.m. - We've been told the vote was not an official motion, but rather a consensus among the members of the board on how they feel about the issue.

We apologize, this was not made clear during the meeting.

Related Topics: East Boston Camps, Town Meeting, and Westford Woods

Dan D.

11:14 am on Friday, March 22, 2013

70 years? A blink of the eye in time and they want to "honor" that particular blink forever? I don't get it.

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Chris Daley

12:54 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

Westford Woods, because it now is part of Westford for Westford public recreation. Identify it as such!

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Cori Ryan

12:59 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

Did anyone suggest to put a sign under the East Boston Camps Sign saying something along the lines of "Westford Conservation Land open to the Public", or "Conservation Land managed by the Town of Westford". That seem like it would clear up the confusion and be an easier solution than renaming the property, renaming the committees that manage it, etc.

The Camps are a pretty identifiable feature of the property just like the pond is at Grassy Pond. It distinguishes it from the other conservation lands in town, meaning that even if it is renamed, people are probably going to still refer to it as East Boston Camps.

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westford resident

1:39 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

Boonstra doesn't want to rename it because it sounds like a development of McMansions. What a snobby elitist to knock those whom lived in a named development! At least he realizes it needs to be clearer that it is Westford property. Perhaps he can provide some examples that are less Mcdevelopment.

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westford resident

1:40 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

.... maybe Boonstra would go for Westford Camps. That doesn't sound like a development and pays homage to the history.

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Sam

1:48 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

I suggest that all you name change folks show at TM. The "Friends" have already sent out their "stop the evil empire email" to their followers. This combined with the straw hats and their forces will make this seemingly simple thing very hard to get through.

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R. Connell

2:21 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

Sam - Thanks for reminding folks to come to ATM tomorrow to vote in favor of this! You are absolutely right. The Friends of EBC are opposing this even with our compromise to not change the name of the camps. We think this change in our Article is a great compromise and everyone gets what they want. We need all the supporters we can get to come out and vote tomorrow. If you don't want to sit through the entire meeting I'd be happy to text or phone any supporters when it is time to show up for the vote. Just let me know and we can email on the side so you can give me your phone number! Here is the new wording of our Article as an FYI: The purpose of this bylaw is to rename town owned parcels of land currently known as the Stepinski Parcel and East Boston Camps to "Westford Woods." The camps on this parcel will retain their current name of "East Boston Camps." The current "East Boston Camps" sign at the Depot Street entrance will be relocated to the actual site of the camps in the woods. Any other signs referring to East Boston Camps will be situated within the campsite area. A "Westford Woods" sign with the wording "Town of Westford Conservation and Recreation Land" underneath the new name will be erected at the Depot Street parcel entrance. This does not preclude Water Department assets or recreational fields located on the land.

Heather

2:28 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

Sounds like the "friends" of the rail trail are similar to these "friends". The rail trail "friends" are insistent upon putting parking in our residential neighborhoods when the extension and associated parking in Acton's industrial area will be built in short order.

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Sam

2:38 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

Bam! You got it and they will not stop until they get their way.

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R Gagnon

4:32 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

The so-called freinds of east boston camps want to raffle off naming rights to one or more of the trails in Westford Woods. I heard the bidding starts at $1000. Maybe a "McKay's Hardware Trail" or an "Ernie Boch West Trail". For them to harp on 70 years of tradition to justify holding on to the EBC name is a bit hypocritical on their part.

I would rather see the sign reflect Westford ownership and unrestricted access so there will be no confusion to people who are new to Westford.

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R. Connell

4:42 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

This land has such a deeper history than the usage of the land by East Boston kids for camp.The camp piece is modern history. The land was once inhabited by Algonquin Indians and there was an Ice House business on the land in 1881 that employed 175 people. It is time to start a new legacy and history of this land now that the Westford Residents own the land. This legacy starts by putting our name on the land as the current owners.

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Mitchel McMannis

12:16 am on Saturday, March 23, 2013

@R. Connell

"This legacy starts by putting our name on the land as the current owners." - Wow. While I honor your spirit of exploration. Tread softly on this hollowed ground my friend. But please, do tell what other nuggets of knowledge about that land can you share? You see I didn't know about the Ice house, but then again its been wiped off the map. Is there anything else we don't know about, just because someone wanted to name it?

jmcgruff

8:58 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

How about:

Privatized Town Camps
Only in Westford Woods
Holiday Trees
The New Nashua Camps
Cameron Six Mil Sticks
WA Red Solo Camps

If it ain't broke, fix it.

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Tom

10:12 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

Voters...marketing 101. If you name it Westford woods it sounds like a development...and some may buy into it. Bad name...bad idea. One will buy and profit just from a marketing game. My friend 7 feathers was talking to me . he lives in Westford and is very quiet on the subject. He made it clear east Boston camps, nor Westford woods is the right name... algonquin is. The true ambassadors of the land!

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Tom

10:14 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

Algonquin woods...is the right name. Who could argue?

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R. Connell

11:18 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

Hi Tom - I'm one of the Article petitioners. Let me give you some background on why we chose "Westford Woods" as the name. I initially asked the Conservation Committee back in the summer of 2011 if they would consider a town wide survey asking the taxpayers if they would support a name change. I even told them I would help with this since I have experience with this type of processvia my job. I was told that the Conservation Committee had no interest in even entertaining this idea. So that is why we went with the Citizen's Article to have the voters decide. Our whole intent with this Article is to rename the land to reflect taxpayer ownership so it is important to have Westford in the name. We drafted an Article last year that asked the BOS to appoint an ad-hoc committee to come up with a new name and the BOS shot this down and would not support. Plus if it did get passed the Conservation Committee would have to approve the name and they had already told us they wouldn't support us. So we had a catch 22 situation and dismissed the Article on the 2012 ATM floor. This year we rewrote our Article as a bylaw since this is the only process that will make an ATM vote by residents binding. We chose Westford Woods since as mentioned we want Westford in the name and thought it would be something people could support. It will be impossible to come up with a name everyone agrees upon. I do think you are right though. The Algonquins were the true ambassadors of the land!!

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Mitchel McMannis

12:28 am on Saturday, March 23, 2013

@ R. Connell again...

"Our whole intent with this Article is to rename the land to reflect taxpayer ownership so it is important to have Westford in the name." -- Um, Why?

I mean yeah it's the Westford Fire department and the Westford Police department, and Westford Academy... I'll even give you Westford Vally marketplace 1 and 2.

But it's Hill orchard - and well we own that.
and J.V. Fletcher Library - we own that too.
and Main St -- we own that too, (I think ;-). grassy pond, nabnasset lake, and stoney brook. Not a Westford label in sight...

As I said, I'm new here, and I'll admit when I first arrived I was confused by EBC. So googled, as the people of my generation are pron to doing and I found this...

http://www.westfordconservationtrust.org/Wct/Trails/trails.html

and I went for my first of many lovely walks through the camps.

Mitchel McMannis

12:03 am on Saturday, March 23, 2013

I have this thing - it's hard to describe; but whenever I kick it I always break my foot. You have this thing - that you can't really describe either; and whenever you punch it, you break your hand. I call it a foot breaker, you call it a hand hurter. What's it matter it's still just a rock.

I'm new to the town, moved here just a few years ago. Already I have been welcomed by the warmth of this town. One of the things that warms the cockles of my heart is driving past that lovely hand carved sign every day.

So I'd be remiss if I at least didn't say this - East Boston Camps or simply the camps has a meaning, is (kind of) descriptive of its (former) use and of its location. Westford Woods - is something generic and brand-able; what is it? that old folks home across the street from corner stone? no no no it's that new development over by Laughton Farms...No it's that wood workers craft store going in where the Blockbuster used to be. No - it's that place we want leaf peepers to go and spend a lazy fall day, where we'll hawk tee shirts and coffee cups and sell cider donuts and hot coco. I'm willing to be, someone where already has a logo picked out for it too.

The short of it comes down to this would you rename Granetville, forge village, or Nabnasset? Then why this?

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Dick

10:23 am on Saturday, March 23, 2013

This property doesn't reflect any association with the previous owners/users anymore.

Why not change the name to something that refects what the Westford taxpayers
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Proud Conservative

2:14 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

The Town of Westford does NOT own the JV Fletcher Library. It's a private organization.

Tony u know

10:23 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

Westford woods sounds like a building project. I have always known it to be what it is today, EBC. And we have spent to much time and energy on a name change....so many other challenges in this town. If we must Push for the the name of the original tribe that had the land first...if not if its not broken. Some in the town need to make the name more "ritzy".....no need, just walk the paths and be happy we have them!

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Think Twice

11:20 am on Saturday, March 30, 2013

One recommendation -- if the goal here is to drive more use of East Boston Camps, it would be smart to look at the usage policies for the site as well. While the site is open to individual use for hiking, I've found it is almost impossible to ever use EBC for any larger groups in town. This is a huge site that once had three separate "camps" operating on site -- yet only one group is allowed to have a function on site at a given time? I understand we're looking to summer camp rental for added revenue, and the camp runs events of their own for Friends of EBC and the town events. That leaves no opportunity for the town's clubs, organizations, neighborhood groups, etc. to hold events. Knowing we have a limited number of summer weekends to leverage the site, lets consider how to open up use of multiple areas in the EBC at the same time.

I have no opinion for or against the name change... to me a name is just a name. But I'd love to see greater flexibility in letting more groups in town use the space. I know several groups in town have been told there is no availability this summer at EBC.

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Dick

12:05 pm on Saturday, March 30, 2013

Look for less access for residents. The place will shortly be by invitation only,with a fee of course

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